Sunday, January 23, 2005

Mordecai Plaut: Hypocrite & Liar

Mordecai Plaut believes that the world is billions of years old. How can I be sure of this? Answer: because he says so himself in this article. I shall summarise his ideas for you. Here goes;

Plaut attempts to clear up a discrepancy. Torah tells us that the world was created in six days. In addition if one follows the Torah chronology from creation to our present day we arrive at a total of 5765 years. The problem is that science tells us that the universe is an odd 15 billion years old.

Along comes Plaut and tells us that there is no contradiction. One must not start counting 5765 from the beggining of creation. We get the 5765 total by counting from Adams terrestrial arrival. The world was there billions of years before that, according to Plaut. Don’t ask, continues Plaut, that the Torah says the world was created in six days (sheishes yomim). That’s not a prob. The Torah does not mean actual days (yomim) as we would understand it. In the first few verses of the Torah ‘days (yomim)’ are metaphorical. They refer to a given unit of time. The world was made with six of these units (yomim). Each unit can be made out of billions of days.

So there we have it. Plaut is of the opinion that the world is millions and millions of years old.

The problem I have is that Plaut is also the editor of Dei'ah Vedibbur which is basically the Yated on line. As you will already be aware the Yated is in the forefront of the campaign to ruin Nosson Slifkins life . Read the article that Plaut put out here. What is Slifkins crime? Well the crime mentioned in the announcement is that in Slifkin holds the heretical view that the world is older than 5765 years (afrah lepumei). In other words Slifkin agrees with Plaut.

So there we have it. I have scientifically proven that Plaut is a hypocrite.

Now take a look at the last few posts on this great site. Pay carefull attention to this post . Look at the comments. Can you see one from Plaut. Read it. I think you will agree with me that Plaut is not only a hypocrite but a liar as well.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well put. I wrote to Plaut, asking how he could justify slandering Slifkin. I pointed out some outright lies in the article. He responded (quite politely actually) and noted that my email name was leitzonusdik. He did not address the loshon horo issue. Here is a guy who really should be banned.

6:58 AM  
Blogger Circle in Square said...

I'm sorry for posting this, but I didn't see an e-mail address.
Have you done anything on internet vis-a-vis our community?

11:55 AM  
Blogger DovBear said...

I have written to R' Plaut. And I've blogged about him. no answer.

Very disapointing.

1:44 PM  
Blogger yoinoson schreiber said...


Thanks for the comment.

For the record he went to the same schools + yeshivos as many a black-hatter. I agree that he didn't grow up in Bnei Braq; but nor did 80% of Kiryat Sefer or 90% of Mir or 98% of Lakewood.

Yes his Dad is a professor and would be a supporter of Torah im Derech Eretz but they would all be very upset if they were labelled non-charedi.

This whole fuss is because Slifkin is part and parcel of the charedi scene. Had he been considered a 'moderner' nobody would have bothered.


2:48 PM  
Blogger dilbert said...

thank you for the very kind comment about my blog. If anyone is interested, R. Plaut did respond to my email and I have posted it. I have asked a few more questions and hopefully he will continue to correspond.

10:56 AM  
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2:29 AM  
Blogger AMSHINOVER said...

Im sorry iknow i've said this somewherelse before but ,why are you guys so surprised lipshitz plaut all of these sociopaths have always been slandering like this, nothing has changed aholes are aholes just don't confuse these demogogues with authentic Yahadus

9:57 AM  
Blogger don said...

I think the statement of the Gedolim took a lot of people by suprise and many people had to rethink their approach to this topic. So all now you can say is that he used to believe in that reconciliation, but now people who are Chareidi with a more modern background will be making changes so that they are in line with what the Gedolim say.

People give honor to the Torah (kovud haTorah) at Simchas Torah by dancing etc. and will go to the siyum haShas coming up for the same reason even if they did not complete the 7.5 years of talmud. The highest honor that can be given to the Torah is through respecting the Gedolim and Rabbis who represent Torah - even if you don't like or even outright disagree with what they say. And of course the most disgracful thing that can be done to Torah is put down the Rabonim who represent Torah (especially those who represent it for much of the Jewish people). Ever heard a parent say to their child "I don't care whether you think I am right or wrong, you have to listen to me anyway"? One of the laws of honoring parents is that one is not allowed to contradict them. There is an approach to how it can be done, but the point is that honoring parents is only a steping stone to how we honor those who represent Torah.

regards all.

6:34 AM  
Blogger yingele said...

Shema Yisrael, Plaut Harosho, Plaut HaKoifer! Whisper-- Jemach Shemoi Vezichro Load Ulnetsach Netsochim!---

4:27 AM  

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